DESPITE LAYING OFF JOURNEYMAN CARPENTERS NEW YORK CONTRACTOR JACOBSON IS ADVERTISING TO HIRE PROVISIONAL CARPENTERS
WHILE THE NUMBERS ARE UNCONFIRMED A SOURCE HAS CLAIMED JACOBSON LAID OFF AT LEAST 50 JOURNEYMAN AT FULL RATE AND BENEFITS SO THEY CAN MAKE ROOM FOR THE CHEAPER INEXPERIENCED LABOR CREATED BY JOE GEIGER AND THE UBC RATS
THIS IS WHAT MEMBER JEFFERY NUNES OPPOSED AND WAS RALLYING AGAINST. THIS IS WHAT HE WAS EXPELLED FOR BY GEIGER AND HIS NYC COUNCIL RATS.HE WAS EXPELLED BECAUSE HE STOOD UP FOR UBC MEMBERS.WHEN WILL UBC MEMBERS STAND UP FOR HIM??
NOW HERE IT IS!!!
A WORKER CALLED THE NUMBER ON THE FLYER AND SPOKE WITH JACOBSONS
FRANK CIAPPIO
LISTEN TO THE SELLOUT OF UBC JOURNEYMEN MEMBERS
(1)NO BENEFITS??
(2)5 YEARS TO GET IN THE UNION AS JOURNEYMEN
(3)10,000 HOURS WORKED TO GET IN THE UNION AS JOURNEYMEN . WHO IS KEEPING TRACK??
(4)5 YEARS WORKING FOR LESS WAGES
(5)ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS KNOW HOW TO READ A TAPE MEASURE!!
(6)IS JACOBSON A CERTIFIED APPRENTICE SCHOOL
(7)DO NOT ALL WORKERS IN NYC HAVE TO HAVE SERVED IN A CERTIFIED APPRENTICESHIP TO EVEN BE ON CERTAIN JOBS BASED ON THE NEW CITY CONSTRUCTION LAWS PUSHED BY THE UBC??
pretty convining all these losers do is sell the union dues members out if this does not infurate every union carpenter out there there is something wrong
ReplyDeleteIn this business a 2 year apprentice is of more value than a 20 year residential carp. Especially a man that is already past the absorbing what u learn age. I personally feel all they are doing is paying more for an apprentice. In this business experience is everything so I’d take the two year apprentice whos at the ripe age of absorbing what he sees any day than a 30 year old handyman who’s never made it to the pinochle of his trade because he never had the drive or competitiveness of a union carpenter. It’s a big mistake thinking anyone can do what we do because we can do learn office job long before an office worker can learn what we do and that’s being overlooked.
ReplyDeleteThey said: Don’t worry it’s not going to impact you, it’s just a tool to go after residential work we can’t compete on anymore because our wages and fringes are too high... ask the Journeymen who just got fired to make room for low pay “provisional” carpenters how this program effects them and their families.
ReplyDeleteThey’ll say: “This is just one company taking advantage of a program meant to create new work opportunities for our Council. You’ll be fine.....”
What this provisional Carpenter program is is exactly what every informed member feared; a new way to benefit the contractor who will collect dues off these poor provisional members while full rate journeyman get displaced!!! BELIEVE IT, YOUR NEXT!!!! This program is coming to Philadelphia. Oh wait it’s already here.....check your Council Bylaws and your new Agreements!!!
This is akin to McCarron’s other market share destroying idea, which was adding language to each Agreement wherever he could that allowed signatory GC’s to sublet covered work to non-signatory subcontractors. He intentionally destroyed his own union base of contractors who employed most members!!! Why would he do that?? Because that’s what the GC’s wanted so that’s what they got!!!
What’s next?? Well being that construction operates on competitive low bid prices any other contractor who competes with Jacobson is going to want, and is entitled to receive the ability to use discount members. Any signatory contractor looking to bid work against Jacobson is going to be calling Geiger to tell him (not ask) that they will be using provisional members and Geiger will say “that’s fantastic it’s a great program, Jacobson loves it!! But just remember you still have to take dues assessments out each provisional members check ok?? Not a problem Joe, you’ll get your cut....”
They, the Union can do almost anything they want and get away with it!! But paying dues is optional!! STOP PAYING DUES TO THOSE WHO ARE ACTIVELY WORKING AGAINST YOU!!!!
The beginning of the end of our union we need to change this brothers and sisters it is not in our favor it’s a way to make contractors more money more under the table pay offs it’s complete bullshit
ReplyDeleteThe slate LU 158 Delegates United is backing this and bringing it to Philadelphia. If you want this then vote for them and if you dont want this and all the other garbage that is coming then do not vote for LU 158 Delegates United.
ReplyDeleteThis is a Doug McCarron program pure and simple! Our fearless leader who now makes over $1 million per year
ReplyDeletethey say,its a race to the bottom,skumbag mccarron wanted this,the union has sold out its members,
ReplyDeleteHEY. FEDS THE MUP. PROGRAM. MILLIONS OF DOLLARS NEEDS TO BE INVESTAGATED IT WAS A HUGE FUND THE UNION CONTROLLED WHO GOT FINES WHO DID NOT GET FINES. ETC. THEY WOULD RIGHT FINES. AND COLLECT. PAYMENTS AND MARK DOWN THE MUPS WERE COMPLETED SO NO RECORD. OF FINES. A HUGE SLUSHFUND STARTED BY SOENCER. CAPPELLIE. AND DOUCHEBAG SOROLLES. IRS. CALL JR. HOCKER TO TRSTFY. HE WAS INVOLVED IN MARKING. MEMBERS COMPLETED WHEN THEY WERE NOT. MAJOR CONSPIRACY COVERUP GOING ON THIS IS BIG FELLOWS. WERE IN THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF EXTORTED GUNDS. COMPLETE INVESTAGAION NEEDS TO NE DONE.
ReplyDeleteSTAY AWAY FROM ALL UNIONS CRONIES. DO NOT VOTE FOR ANY DELEGATES UNITED VOTE FOR RANK AND FILE. NO DELEGATES UNITED.
ReplyDeleteNow is the perfect time to put your foot down and refuse to go back to work until the Union stops this bullshit. All the trades should stand together and strike, this will weaken all trades eventually. Strength is in numbers and all trades should stand together to strengthen all unions!! If you been in the union since the 80’s you experienced all the changes to present time. If you remember all the trades did not honor one another’s picket line and that’s where all unions started losing power. If all you guys want a prosperous future you need to get all the trades to stand together as one and you will secure your future!!
ReplyDeleteThe representative that nominated the slate LU 158 Delegates United actually said he was nominating this slate for the Carpenters Local 258 delegate election. We all heard it. Dont they have to run for the Carpenters Local 258 that they were nominated for? That's what he said. What a bunch of morons that dont know what local they are leading.
ReplyDeleteHey Brother, Please name the suckholes that nominated and seconded the slate.
ReplyDeleteWe all would like to know !!!! Please, First and Last names. Thank you
Out with the old in with the New remember that lol
ReplyDeleteIf you vote for 1 person. Vote for margarita.
ReplyDeleteShe is a pitbull and will not back down from these cowards.
Mike hand and jr hocker and any other council rep cannot be a member rep.
ReplyDeleteThey are not even bound by the shit they inflict on us.
Mike Hand. Retire. Step down.
Ohh and dont leave the country any time soon.
Despite your efforts to be a boy scout.. You are part of this crime spree.
No dignity. No shame.
Leave. Now.
Yes Brother long time Union Representative Ron Mcleod made a big announcement that he was nominating the slate for the Carpenters Union Local 258. The President Romeo Carsello laid out the rules for nominations of Carpenters Union Local 158 and stated a seconded was not required and you can nominate yourself. The Union hired a 3rd party company by the name of Elections USA, Inc to run the Local 158 nominations not the Local 258 nominations
ReplyDeleteI believe SBDigital was hired to handle the teleconference delegate nominating process. Elections USA was hired to conduct the ballot by mail process. Vote for anyone not running on a pro Council Ticket and wait till results are announced to file grievances regarding the flawed process; first internally, then externally with the DOL.
DeleteActually it is OLMS AND LMDRA.
DeleteThe election is a sham.
They are using the " constitution( ubc) to shield themselves.
Let me ask you this?
We do not have delegate elections in almost 7 years.
Now during a " shamdemic" they are all of the sudden worried about following the constitution andddd its only a 1 year term?
Only 2 things possible here.
1. They were pressured bc of PREVIOUS complaints to olms on our sham elections... And they were given a chance to comply.. ( which is likely bc all the dol agencies are in bed with the union) ill explain why in a minute.
Or. 2. Something is in the works.
Why democrat infested agencies are in bed with the unions.
Ill keep it short.
98.6 % of contributions from multi billion dollars in pacs to dem causes. Period.
To rule on one union federally is to set precedent for all.
Money. Its multi multi billions a year.
Its power. Its control.
Think it isnt?
When did you vote on your last deduction of 10 cents an hour to the maps fund?
You didnt.
You have zero control.
Also. I want to point out some more hypocrisy.
We have alllll these delegates running who are supposed to be my voice.
Not one of you scumbags asked me for my vote.
The only person who ASKED ME for my VOTE was Margarita.
Ive known her for years. We rarely see eye to eye on a lot of issues.
She however will always vote for the members best interest.
I know this.
Margarita is the ONLY CANDIDATE that ACTUALLY behaved as a member advocate by actually ASKING members for their votes.
The rest of these scumbags who call themselves 158 delegates united? You are scab fuks.
My one vote for sure will be for margarita because mike hand needs a jiminy crickett in his ear every day.
( for you younger guys. Jiminy cricket was pinnochios conscience) hand doesnt have a conscience.
He needs to have one elected for him.
Thank you for your insight. That is the plan.
ReplyDeleteWow how could they screw up their own delegate election? They work for that local. How could they nominate their slate for a different local? They paid a company to monitor and run the nomination also. Did they think nobody noticed or it didn't matter because they are in charge and they dont need to do it correctly?
ReplyDeleteWe do not have the brightest or the best this organization COULD offer.
DeleteIt is a heaping pile of nepotism and who sucks who the best.
Thats why we need to go back to voting for all decisions.
1 member 1 vote.
Vote for carpenters who spend time standing and delivering as opposed to a group who is comfy on their knees ... ( no offense floorlayers)
How many pairs of knee pads has hand worn through. Not nearly as many as hocker, giorola, .... Pick one.
it was done on purpose im sure I heard someone was not happy for getting canned because of cova bahahahaha cova like SPROLLES DID NOT BANKRUPT US BEFORE COVA BAHAHAHA GOOD WORK RONNIE WE ALL GOT THAT TAPED AND CAN USE IT ON OUR CHARGES WITH OLMS WRONG LOCAL GUYS AND GALS DIDNT SE RONNIE BRING THAT ONE DID YOU SPROLES
ReplyDeleteAsk SBDigital for a recorded transcript of the each local unions delegate nomination call. They recorded each and everyone.
ReplyDeleteIf they still push this election through and the slate wins could it affect the legitimacy of the national election? McCarrons votes then wouldn't be legit.
ReplyDeleteYes it could. But you have to send a letter to McCarron within 30 days to be timely.
DeleteKey point. 30 days.
DeleteAlso. Be prepared for shit bag dan christie to give you a call and tell you he will look into it.
Bullshit lip service.
Accountability.
Ill tell ya what.
With all these democrats that support all these democrats.... You better fecking pray the police arent " abolished"
And the call transcript belongs to the members, like everything else, because we paid for the call!!!
ReplyDeleteSOROLLES IS NOW COVERING UP TOMMY (guns) BRESLYN. CARYING FIRE ARMS IN COUNCIL BECAUSE HES SUCH A PUSSY AFRAID OF THE BOYFREIND OF HIS SEXRRATARY SO SPROLES WHEN DO THE COVERUPS. END !!!!!! Just wondering What you will be saying to feds on soencer and cappeli. Something tells me you won’t be covering that up.
ReplyDeleteIf Ron McLeod nominated the slate for the local 258 delegate election on purpose, he just pulled one off for the ages.
ReplyDeleteYes. For the convention delegate election. Sure did Ronnie. You got em
DeleteJust as the ubc is glad and willing to punish because of a technicality. Pull your hc for missing it for 1 hour.
Delete258. He said it. It was not corrected in the transcript.
The nominations are bogus.
It should have been an IMMEDIATE point of order and corrected.
It wasnt.
Doesnt matter if it was a mistake.
If Ron did it on purpose than i have a whole new respect for him.
I doubt he was bright enough to have done that.
Heres the deal.
Since you ( hand , hocker et al) all lied to us.... We dont trust you. We wont give you the benefit of the doubt.
We are at war with you.
So yeah.... We are holding every word and every action to the fire.... That you lit.
If you were honest brokers you would have had respect and understanding. You arent.
Every name on that ballot under the heading 158 united delegates... Every one of you are self serving scumbags.
Should we go down the list individually.
Tommy 122 forever Dougherty?
Scumsucking ballnag.
Shall we?
Thomas Dougherty, you sent out letters threatening members to pay fines by a certain date earlier this year. What happened? Why don’t you send another letter telling the members what’s going on. I guess the team leader Hocker doesn’t know what to do. Not surprising at all. If he’s not getting paid off he’s trying to figure out who to pay off. He’s a little slow....
ReplyDeleteWHATS A MATTER GUYS YOUR EXTORION TRICK IS IN QUESTION ? YOU CAN NOT PAY YOUR DUES UNTIL YOU PAY YOUR FINES DID YOU SCUMBAGS REALLY THINK THAT BLANTIT VIOLATION WOULD NOT BE CHALLENGED WHAT A BUNCH OF SCUMBAGS AT LEAST NOW WITH AN HOURLY DEDUCTION OUT OF YOUR CHECK ALL OF YOUR BUDDYS AND PALS CANT GET THEIR MUPS MARKED OFF ANYMORE WITH YOUR DISCRIMINATING POLICY JUSY WONDERING DID RAY HINEYMAN TELL YOU TO EXTORT THE MEMBERS WHO DONT PAY YOUR BULLSHIT FINES GO AHEAD AND DO IT NOBODY WILL CHALLENGE IT NEXT THING LETS CHECK TO SE IF THE HOURLY DEDUCTION WAS DONE LEGALLY
ReplyDeleteI can already tell you.
DeleteDid you vote for a new fund?
Were you asked?
No.
This is why delegates united needs to die on the vine.
Yo Tommy Doc. You scumbag.
Tell us where you are at with the extortion?
I stated it earlier.
Heinemann is a disgrace to the legal field.
A handful of " stupid carpenters" shredded his every move.
Want me to lay it out?
Every move heinemann told you to do EVEN WITH THE ADVANTAGE of having the NRLB twisted in knots to try and help you!!!! He still was shredded. Every " legal move he made, every bit of advice" SHREDDED.
You should find out who that carpenter is and hire HIM as your legal counsel.
Soo. You got the maps.
Did it without a vote.
Scumbag move.
Heres the deal.
That fund is now required by law to be disclosed , definition, an IRS registration number, documented assetts, documented receipts. Documented dispersements, trustees ( which is a joke as we have seen in laufenberg ) a line item in the lm2. An audit process and much more.
None of you can steal from it without real effort.
You know who loses.
We do.
We paid an inept attorney fees to help cut our own throats.
Thats fecked up!!!
Tommy doc. Send out the letter WHY. Chickenshit.
Im going to challenge the existence of the new MAP dues program because it was illegal to create it with out the consent of the members per the UBCJA Constitution and the LMRDA. I’m going to win the challenge and I’m going to get every penny taken from my wages back as well. I don’t know Tommy Dougherty is but he sounds like grade A garbage!! I’m done being ripped off!! I know how to fight back and I already am!!!
DeleteGod bless you for being a leader and challenging wrongdoings. We need you to run this thing. True leadership. Thank you
DeleteThomas Dougherty, I’m sure you have to pay the members out of the new bullshit MAP program now even if they didn’t do their your bullshit MUPS now that your taking money from every members paycheck without a vote on it. Come on Tommy your good at sending threatening letters... why not send members one explaining your MAP rules? Maybe you can hand out literature at your guys ( delegates united) next parade with the giveaways and refreshments the members bought. Is it Local 158 or Local 258?
ReplyDeleteIt is amazing.
DeleteEvery step of the way this group has lied to the members and new members coming in.
Yet each and every time they are called out on it...they still do not understand why no one trusts any of them.
Had you been honest perhaps you wouldnt have all these daggers slashing at you.
It isnt going to stop. You are slowly bleeding out.
Doughertys position needs to be eliminated.
We ( by their own words have streamlined) do not need him or anyone in that role. The office takes the dues.
Meeting attendance is a disgrace.
Support? Yeah ok.
No one supports lying frauds. Are you not getting that?
Dougherty also needs to be removed from the apprentice screening committee. For the good of the order.
He has ZERO integrity, devoid of any sense of moral decency.
Id wouldnt be surprised if he wasnt getting a cut of every new apprentices wages , ya know, as part of the deal. Just like he did at PES. You remember those kickbacks dont you?
Groveling little weasel.
You were of value to Hand and Hocker at one point. Now that those million man hours or more are gone.... What do you bring to the table? Not leadership.
Its ok though. You fit right in with this crew. Scumbags tend to cling to scumbags.
He fits right in because it is all about him and his buddy's making money. The mix 20/20 was actually supposed to be the legal way to give out jobs fairly that came through the hall. These guys blatantly laugh at this system and bypass it when decent jobs come in and their bosses know it and allow it. Dougherty was part of that. Hocker and Hand have given all the good jobs to their buddy's for support, votes, and kickbacks. This is why they all want to be delegates too. It's to keep this gravy train going for them and their friends that is even what they have said. It's to give them more power and control to keep their jobs. The other votes will come from retirees that they give work to and retirees that they let refer their friends kids and get in as apprentices. Oh ya and the apprentices that they got sponsors for too. Do you think they really want to do more work and be delegates? No, but they say they have to keep this thing going and make sure that the 258 delegate slate and friends keep all the good jobs. It is a really sad system that they have purposely put in place that will payoff short-term and win them the 258 election but it is going down slowly. These guys will be ok because they have stolen so many of our dollars.
ReplyDeleteMix 20/ 20.
ReplyDelete" an algorithmic" matching system
Ok. So you set up a contractor dating service. We call it
Carpenter Match.com.
Its bullshit.
As the previous post said.
It was cherry picked.
I have a strange feeling that things are gonna change with that.
Stay tuned.
georgey porgy come out anddd plaaayyyy. we are every where.
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