ALREADY SUFFERING WITH A HISTORY OF GOOD OLD WHITE BOY LEADERS, DISCRIMINATORY POLICY'S AND ALLEGATIONS OF RACISM AS WELL AS SEXUAL HARASSMENT.
IN THE MIDST OF A UBC MORON IN BLACKFACE DECLARING "IT IS A SHAME TO BE WHITE IN PHILLY THESE DAYS"
THE UBC BS PRE-APPRENTICE PROGRAM IS LABELED AS JIM CROWE BY AN AFRICAN AMERICAN WORKERS GROUP CALLED BLACKTRADESMAN.US
LANGFORD NOW EST
IN THE MIDST OF A UBC MORON IN BLACKFACE DECLARING "IT IS A SHAME TO BE WHITE IN PHILLY THESE DAYS"
THE UBC BS PRE-APPRENTICE PROGRAM IS LABELED AS JIM CROWE BY AN AFRICAN AMERICAN WORKERS GROUP CALLED BLACKTRADESMAN.US
THE BLACKTRADESMEN.US GROUP IS LISTED AS A
"Social Network catering to African-American construction tradesmen & tradeswomen with dynamic online tools".
Black Tradesmen United States Inc. President & Founder is Ramond Walker
WE HAVE BEEN CALLING OUT THE MCCARRON BS PRE-APPRENTICESHIP AND PROVISIONAL JOURNEYMAN SCAMS SINCE THEY STARTED.
THESE PROGRAMS ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A MCCARRON SELL OUT TO PROVIDE CONTRACTORS WITH PERMANENT UNDER PAID WORKERS THEY CAN USE AND THEN TOSS AWAY BEFORE THEY BECOME VESTED IN THEIR UBC PENSION FUNDS OR WORK ENOUGH HOURS TO QUALIFY FOR THE SHYTE MEDICAL THE UBC OFFERS.UNDER PAID WORKERS WHO GET JOBS WHILE REGULAR APPRENTICES AND JOURNEYMEN SIT HOME WITH NO JOBS
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man I guess we wittle sproules is the dunce of the crew he is not as overpaid as the rest but very overpaid indeed I guess that shows who doug likes the best and its not we wittle sproules
This demonstrates why the shrewd contractor prefers the leadership of individuals like Doug McCarron because he subjugates the membership too bad deals, unnecessary concessions, non-Union “composite” crews, and tiered membership classes that undercut established wage and benefit standards. Pre-Apprenticeship programs run right, are those that provide a path to membership to those that would otherwise not have one. Whereas McCarron run pre-apprenticeship programs provide contractors compliance with local hire requirements at cut rates and the participants get terminated when convenient to the contractor. To the Black Tradesman; McCarron is not treating us white journeyman members any better than as he is treating black pre-apprentice members.
Watching the jersey leadership implode the ubc in their state.. Then taking a bailout forced by mccarron.... Then watching phila implode.... No surprise... Same leaders same result.
Heres a wild concept.
How about we get out of PC?
How about representing the other 82% of the membership that currently pay the freight?
Have an entry test. Straight up.
You pass or you dont.
If you dont.... You do what normal people do when they are trying to achieve a goal.. You go fix the skills you need to pass.
Having it " handed" to you bc of skin color or any other reason that invalidates the test...IS exactly why we are failing.
Whole groups without a working foundation are handed the task of topping off a bldg... One problem... No one built the foundation.
It is unfair to ALL involved and creates an artificial, incompetent workorce.
It is a disservice to all and the industry and nation as a whole.
A good pre-apprenticeship program prepares new potential apprentice members for entry which should include passing an entrance exam. There are many great members who struggled to pass the MRC Philly Apprenticeship test and there are those who passed this test that are complete dirt bags and or useless. An admission test should be one part of the enrolment process that should also include skills assessment, character Evaulation, etc. A well designed pre-apprenticeship program should be mandatory for ALL new members because all new members need to be effectively screened and prepped for success. The pre-apprentice programs you, I and many others dislike are the McCarron programs that are fake and don’t benefit the Union, the pre-Apprentice, the community, and honest contractors. McCarron is the problem not Race and income.
Heres the deal dude. Pre apprentices are NOT part of the apprenticeship program. Ask any JATC coordinator. They are not in the Union, they are not tracked, they do not report to the JATC in any way. There is NO need for a PAP, it is only a scam for contractors to make an extra buck on those employed on their payroll. MANDATORY PAP MY ASS. THAT IS WHAT AN APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM IS FOR!! Test them, interview them and if they rise to the level of the criteria set forth by the JATC then place them in the program. Then it is sink or swim, the good ones will survive and the slugs will dry up and go away. There is no place in the Carpenters Union for a pre apprentice and there should never be a pre apprentice placed on a union job.
Here’s the real deal dude, our opinions regarding the need or validity of a Pre-Apprenticeship program are completely irrelevant because there won’t be an Apprenticeship program in five years at the current rate of UBC decline. I don’t believe or support anything McCarron does but don’t let him ruin what could be a good idea which could include a pre-apprenticeship program designed to help prepare apprentices to be as successful as possible. You could consider the current ninety day probationary period that all Apprentices are now subject to be a Pre-Apprentice program.
But again debating the value of pre-apprentice programs at this point is like debating what colour you should use to paint your house when it’s on fire!!!!!
Good talk though.....debates like this are healthy, it’s a shame they can’t be had within the UBC.
Exactly. The pre apprentice undercuts area wages and standards. Gee. Where have i heard that?
The Rat should be permanantly installed at the front doors of 1803 Spring Garden Street ( for 1 location)
With the new apprentice program coming on line... Which will in essence take about 8 years to satisfy hours ( avg) in a good market.... Then to be " elevated" to " provisional " for about another 8 or 9 years.
Thats 16 years right there at sub rate.
Right Mark Spadicino?
Aint that right Mr Healy?
You are correct though.
The carpenters are over.
It will be the last trade entertained by young ppl looking at the " deal" .
Honestly. I have been telling kids who ask.... Steeer clear of the ubc.
Do you know how fcked up that is to have to say that after 36 years?
I wish I was wrong, I wish you were wrong, but unfortunately we and, the rest of are not wrong, the UBC is dead. This miscarriage of a union that is perpetuated by Doug McCarron and Co. is a high priced staffing agency, and we the members who work for a living are the ones paying that high price!!
Why does McCarron and EST’s like Sproule want to create provisional Carpenter programs? Because these Provisional Carpenters will be temporary members who come and go once they figure out they don’t have a real career or they get worn out and get replaced. In the process these provisional members will displace full rate members.
In Philly we find the provisional carpenter concept appalling but this is what the UBC is everywhere else. No one has a career as a Union Carpenter outside of Philly because those areas have long been wiped out by McCarron and his appointed hacks. So career oriented members are non-existent in these areas which is exactly what McCarron wants. Go to DC or NYC or ATLANTIC City, or LA and you find most members are Union when they want to to get on a good job. This is new to us in Philly because Coryell promoted a career oriented culture here that started in an Apprenticeship and ended 30 years later in retirement. Everywhere else your workin with guys that bought a book, or were non-Union for four years until they came back. You ask them about retirement on a Union pension and they’ll laugh you off the job!! If your a member in Pittsburgh you can’t retire until your 65!! That’s a joke, it a funny one, but a joke none the less!!! It’s time to sue for the right to not pay dues, cut the money off and whores like Spencer and Sproules die on the vine!!!!
Looks like we Lil Sproules is away on another vacation! A long one at that. Call the hall and ask to speak with him. I’m sure they’ll lie and say he’s busy.
hes only in hawaii for a month. dont you think fatty deserves that. he does have to repeat to the membrs what soencer tells hi.m. he is suck a fraud he runs nothing mark my words this guy has less power then tou think he can not make one decison without checking with the boss its title only. trust me buddy !!!!!!!
Haaaaa!!! Fatty!!!
Must be nice, Fatty is on vacation and I get a $125 MUP bill from the Council. I guess me paying close to $10 Grand in dues and other deductions isn’t enough.........
Mups is soon about to be shattered.
That’s what I heard too. The MUP program is now going to be a reward system whereby participants get “points” for participating that they can be exchanged for swag. So I was surprised to receive a MUP bill. But I’m not paying it.
Just like they track the 100s of retirees working full time while many are out of work.
But its okkkkk. They have Mike Hands blessing.
Really?
Soo lets see. Many are sitting and are going to lose health benefits while retirees are working and working overtime.
Sooo with this kind of " tracking" and accountability.....
Surellllly when the leadership says " we will have a 40% journeyman. 40% provisional and 30% apprentice ratio on jobs.... You should just believe them because certainly they will monitor and police that just as aggressively as the police the 100s of retirees filling active journeymans slots.
Its all horse shit. You know it.
They know and encourage it.
Guess who they AND the contractors want gone. Journeymen.
They cant contractually do a wage give back because they will potentially lose their lives.
But. They can by attrition get rid of us and ..... Surprise... There is your new and lower wage.
So. Tell me again. Who is it that is destroying area wages and benefits. The UBC.
That is unfortunately correct.
Thats an idea they are floating.
Bigger point.
They arent changing it bc they want to.
They are about to get crucified by the highest board of the NRLB bc MEMBERS INITIATED AND PERSEVERED AND PRESSED THIS ISSUE.
Imagine if we allll stood united.
This was because of 11 or so very brave members.
Where were the rest?
The change you CAN bring as demonstrated.
Do NOT LET ANYONE TELL YOU THE UBC DID THIS ON THEIR OWN.
They are being forced.
Federal Judges would have been next. ( still not off the table)
Now. Wait till you see phase 2.
IRS.
Where is the mups money?
And alllllll the other questions relative to the fund?
See. This one is not only going to be an organizational suit... This one is going to sue individuals like sproules, and ballantyne.
We will finally get him into court to expand on his charges under oath.
Its slow. But its working.
Again. ANY CHANGES UBC MAKES WERE MEMBER DRIVEN.
Wake up. Unite.
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